Hilarion: Can you be specific for dates?
Lori: I really suck at historical dates. Hold on. I have to look it up on Wikipedia.
Hilarion: 1600-through 1750?
Lori: Yes. Wasn’t it a resurgence in individual creative expression, similar to what is happening today?
(What I'm thinking here is that there was this creative surge in certain parts of the world while there was a surge in violence in other parts of the world. So basically how a person uses this energy is often based on the society a person is born into (social conditioning, unless a person consciously questions the society he/she is born into). This personifies my very favorite quote from the Seth Material, "illness and suffering are the results of the misdirection of creative energy."
Hilarion:
There are different terms from this, from different cultures and we
wanted to focus on this. But yes, you had two lifetimes in that period.
Opportunities to interact with people in two very different cultures. A
wave of energy swept through the world at that time and in the Orient
such energies had a profound effect on artists and scientists and many
others but a great deal of this was suppressed. It was a time of great
war and struggle and this was created very deliberately to distract from
this awakening energy.
In the west, in particular Europe, there were many energies
of an outpouring and you had opportunity to be a part of both. In
the west you at first began with an interest in the written word. Various ways in which this was being transformed right before your eyes,
with the utilization of the printing press and many other technologies
to transfer suddenly became important to communicate and yet this led
you to many other aspects in art and you watched this with great
fascination.
To some extent you had an involvement, but for the
most part you had a chance to apprentice and to be around others and to
travel in different countries and learn about this in different ways.
In the Orient you were able to be a part of this in order to understand
it energetically, to feel the changes more than to actually
participate. As warring factions inevitably engaged your interest you
were cut down in your 20s. But, the feeling of the energy, the sense of
it, you were aware that there were as if two societies going on at that
time. An energy having to do with the outer, but something else happening
inner, stronger than ever before.
As if a great push to make
scientific discoveries and to understand the nature of human beings. To
work more consciously with what people’s inner motivations were all
about. This was your beginning understanding of psychology. Although the
true flowering of psychology did not occur until the early part of the
20th century. It was still that which had its birth in much earlier
incarnations for most people.
To understand what people were
really feeling, what was their true motivation, what was really
happening. Up until that time much was attributed to Confucius, so many
ways in that society that people would refer to this because it was useful
in providing peace or deeper understanding of what should be.
But
in reality, for instance if you contrast Freud and Confucius you see a
tremendous differences. The underlying motivation associated with something the person
is not consciously aware of and this is acknowledged and utilized in
western society rather than repressed and sought to be deliberately
changed in eastern society in Confucian times. As all of those energies
began to shift you had an appreciation for this that came from being
around others and watching them with their discoveries, with their
newfound ways and what you kept seeing over and over was how some of
that was transferred into war, into the development of improved steel,
or various traps or psychology of war. This disturbed you, but at the
same time you were too young to do much about it.
As a result of
this karmically you see the unflowering of this now in a much deeper
understanding of karma that you have as a result of your work with your
play and other things. Could by a deeper understating of what is really
going on, could war be avoided? Could people find a sense of peace
within themselves that could be transferred to others? This is a
powerful question that has been taken up by many. There is no easy
answer to it but you are pursuing an understanding in this not just from
what you are seeing from this life but from these times in these ancient
periods as well.
Lori: Where in the Orient was I living?
Hilarion: In China.
Lori: Can you tell me what I was doing in Europe?
Hilarion: There
was much opportunity to apprentice, to be around others, some time
spent in Italy, some travel to Greece, some movement eventually to
Spain; witnessing and watching developments in architecture and in
painting, sculpture, all of these crossing over. But, there was this
abiding interest in the written word. Some way in which this could
somehow be known more fully or understood in ways that could not
previously have been available.
That was perhaps the initial draw
to go to these places, to meet people, to learn things and so on. During the
process you began to witness the opportunity for the written word to be
spread very quickly. You were surprised when you would see writings even
translated from one language into another and these popping up in places you
had not even expected. It was as if you were recognizing something
people have never seen before. A sort of common bond through language,
culture, discovery, and interest. This, though, initially of course, with
religious writings began to be expanded into many other areas that you
saw great potential for the future. It was as if you could see an
inspiration here in the written word for the first time in all of your
lifetimes.
Lori: So was my lifetime in the Orient before, and the one in Europe afterward?
Hilarion:
Yes that would be fairly close, though again, that is why we always
begin by asking about time period. There isn’t as if to say an exact
time for beginning or end for either of these. But, early phase versus
later phase, yes.
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